¶1On July 18th, Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan were arrested in Miami on charges related to rape, sex trafficking, assault, and possessing indecent images of a child, and are currently in the process of being extradited to the United Kingdom for prosecution, which includes a bond hearing scheduled for tomorrow, August 13th. And in today's episode, I have a simple request for prominent Christian commentators. Stop praising Andrew Tate. Seriously, I have no idea why these self-professed Christians praise the Tate brothers and downplay both their alleged legal crimes and their undeniable moral crimes. For example, here's Candace Owens sitting down with Andrew Tate in an interview a year ago.
¶2>> I do also want to in in closing commend you on something which was so crazy. So, I there was this person who was doing like a bunch of digital content. I thought his content was amazing, got into touch. I mean, figured out this like a young school kid, like basically essentially like 20 years old, like just turned 20 years old. And I'm like, "Dude, you're a hustle.
¶3You're a hustler. Like, you Where did you learn how to do all of this stuff? I could have hired you." I genuinely don't even know what Hustlers University is, but I know that that kid is 10 times 10 times more effective than people that are coming out of with college degrees right now. >> So, ace journalist Candace Owens doesn't bother to do 5 minutes of research on Hustlers University, now called Real World, before sitting down with Tate. If she had, she would have found out that the program is a money-making scheme that offers overpriced courses on things like writing marketing emails you can get for free elsewhere.
¶4And Owens would have also seen that before Hustlers University was founded in 2021, Tate was selling his PhD program in 2018, which stands for pimp and ho's degree. >> And I've got a PhD. >> Explain PhD for us Tate, if you if you don't mind, then. >> A pimp and ho's degree. A doctorate.
¶5>> It's well known that Andrew Tate made his fortune using girls to create pornography for him. To get the girls to work for him and to give him the money they made, he used a technique called the lover boy method to emotionally manipulate women, which is classic pimp behavior and is often used in human trafficking. Tate's elite forum called the war room included members sharing tips on how to make women vulnerable like this one that says, "After that it becomes a series of gradual steps to remove her entire support structure from her life. Then we punish her for a transgression, real or imagined, by having her get our name tattooed on her, leaving her family's home, apartment, town, country, webcamming, stripping, walking the track for us, getting us girls." >> Start by isolating them from the friendship. It's not actually that difficult to do.
¶6And people will call that manipulation, but what you're really doing is putting the pieces on the chessboard in the best place for you to win. You're the one playing the game. >> And here's Andrew's brother Tristan revealing how he kept the girls dependent on him by locking them out of the money they made, which is once again pimp behavior. >> I went to the room, smashed the room up, told her I knew what she did. She sent me all the money, but that has happened to me before.
¶7>> Let them take full control over their accounts, they will run away. I like to keep the girls passwords. I log them in and log them out. If you give the girl the password to her account, there's a chance she could run away and try it by herself. I've had that happen.
¶8>> And if you're a ride or die, you're a chicken, you really love us, what's the problem with getting making a bunch of money from home? What's the issue? Oh, so I can see your titties. You get your titties out basically out on Instagram for free anyway. >> So that's a question.
¶9That's a question to all you guys at home, you know, if you're interested in making a lot of money, this is how me and Andrew did it. >> There's no secret at all about how we made our money, gentlemen, that's how we did it. We were internet pimps. >> So the Tates used and created an environment for others to use manipulation and coercion to pimp out women and put them in situations where they don't have control over their income, which can easily lead to trafficking if they're in a foreign country and are dependent on their employer. But here's what really irritates me.
¶10Candace Owens says things that lead her viewers to think Erica Kirk, a widow mourning the death of her murdered husband, that she was involved in human trafficking in Romania because Kirk supported an orphanage in Romania and human trafficking happens in Romania, I guess. But Owens is also completely confident Andrew Tate is innocent of human trafficking despite actual evidence pointing in that direction. In fact, just a few years ago, Nick Fuentes was able to honestly call out Andrew Tate for the awful person he is. >> Andrew Tate is a pornographer. Like let's just let's just be very honest about what he is.
¶11Whatever you think of him, that's what he is. He's a pornographer. He makes porn. That's how he made his money. That's how he makes a living.
¶12He was a fighter. Fighters aren't worth a billion dollars or a hundred million dollars, however much he's worth. Fighters don't unless you're Floyd Mayweather, fighters don't make that kind of money. He made his money through pornography. Which is like the definition of selling your soul to the devil.
¶13What do you think that means? He did something extremely immoral in exchange for money. But everybody needs to recognize, love him, hate him, that he's a pornographer and objectively a bad person. Objectively, he should be in jail. >> But now Fuentes is posting things like free Andrew and Tristan Tate and calling their prosecution a humiliation for America.
¶14>> So what is it about Andrew and Tristan Tate that makes them any different from every other man that has been accused under Me Too? How is this any different? This is the Me Too movement. They do the same thing to Donald Trump. They do the same thing to all these people.
¶15If you become a political target, you're accused of rape. If you become a high-profile political person on the right and specifically someone on the right that is challenging the status quo, it's a sexual assault allegation. It's a rape allegation. >> First, it's not true that everyone on the right who speaks against cultural evils or challenges the status quo is then falsely accused of sexual misconduct in order to smear them. As of this recording, Ron DeSantis hasn't been accused of sexual misconduct, Marco Rubio hasn't been accused of this, Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh haven't been accused of sexual misconduct.
¶16Nick Fuentes challenges the status quo, but nobody has accused him of sexual misconduct against women, or even of sexual conduct with women in general, including moral conduct like being in a committed relationship. I'm not sure why, but in unrelated news, Fuentes has previously said that dating women is gay. >> Why are people calling me gay cuz I've never had a girlfriend? I think if anything, if anything, it makes me less gay. Never having a girlfriend, never having sex with a woman, really makes you more heterosexual because honestly, dating women is gay.
¶17>> Second, I'm not surprised people might accuse Donald Trump of sexual misconduct because he said stuff like this in the past. >> You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just like I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it.
¶18You can do anything. >> Whatever you want. >> Grab them by the >> [laughter] >> I can do anything. >> It's true, there are baseless accusations that are made against famous people, but there are also well-founded accusations, and you can see the difference. In the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, for example, there was a political motive to disrupt an important Supreme Court nomination, and it involved a single claim of wrongdoing made decades later that could not even describe the location of the incident in question.
¶19But when it comes to Andrew Tate, we have multiple charges and even videos of Tate hitting women with belts and then later claiming all of this was consensual. >> Say it like you mean it. >> You >> Say [snorts] IT LIKE YOU MEAN IT. You message ONE OTHER GUY EVER AGAIN, whether we're together or not, you're dead. Do you understand me?
¶20>> But in spite of all of this, there are still self-professed Christians like Tucker Carlson who praise Andrew Tate and say stuff like this. >> Andrew Tate's core message is respect yourself. Act like you're worth something, achieve something, do something, get the [ __ ] off the couch, put down the porn. Like go do something with your life. >> Oh, sure.
¶21The guy who became rich making porn wants guys to put down porn. And also, imagine if Tucker Carlson was talking about the serpent in the garden. His core message is to gain knowledge. What could be wrong with that? Obviously, Tate isn't going to become popular unless he says some true motivational facts that you can easily get from other sources.
¶22>> Just do it. >> Thank you, Shia. But it's a failure of journalistic integrity to not expose the evils lying beneath the surface of popular figures. Now, I agree the phenomenon of Andrew Tate should be examined, and we should ask why so many young men are attracted to his message. The answer, as I've noted in previous episodes, is that men have been the victim of social biases for the past few decades.
¶23And what Tate says about self-reliance and personal responsibility are true and appealing. The problem is when people try to emulate build confidence not out of actually practice virtue or by accomplishing a good others naturally respect, but through caricatures of masculinity. Like this poor student doing his best Andrew Tate alpha stick impression. >> I am now the alpha. >> Bro, that's not how this works.
¶24I'm the teacher. >> [laughter] >> The alpha takes priority over the teacher. The alpha takes priority over everyone. Do you not know how that works? >> It's also a problem when some Christian commentators refuse to say anything negative about Tate, which may be in part because they want to court his audience.
¶25Or the calculated praise may be in service of a misguided alliance. These Christians might think, "Well, I don't want to attack Andrew Tate because at least he stands against wokeness." But that's low-level thinking on par with a caveman saying, "He say thing I like, so me like him." Well, Father James Martin wrote a book on prayer that Bishop Barron endorsed, and Father Martin says things that are fully in line with Catholic teaching. But the Catholics who support Andrew Tate aren't nice to Father Martin. They let Father Martin's bad message completely outweigh anything good he might have to say. So why not do the same for someone like Andrew Tate?
¶26Instead, these Christians do the opposite. They let Andrew Tate's allegedly good message outweigh anything bad he's ever done. Here's Tate's lawyer, self-identified Catholic Joseph McBride, on the Tim Pool podcast. >> These are good men who have done a lot of good for the world, right? Even if you accept all the allegations against them as true, the amount of good that they've done for the world tremendously outweighs the bad, and people don't see it because there's a very one one-sided narrative out there against them.
¶27>> Think about the insanity of what he just said. In 2024, when this interview aired, Tate was charged with trafficking and having sex with minors. But hey, Tate also told guys to escape the matrix, so it all balances out, right? McBride seems to be referring, though, to Tate's alleged charity work, which claims to have donated $12 million to different charities. But this has not been independently confirmed, and some of the charities alleged to be involved have denied receiving any money from Tate.
¶28But even if that were true, Epstein gave to charity, but he still belonged in jail. Besides, Tate's disgusting worldview makes him hardly better than the wokeness he allegedly combats. Do you like Andrew Tate because he calls out transgender ideology? Okay, what do you think of this genius-level question from him? >> I recently posted a question on Twitter asking, "Would you rather have sex with a transsexual, which is a legitimate 10, or a woman, which is a legitimate one?" And everyone's sitting there clicking woman, woman, woman, woman, cuz they think that they're going to be gay if they do anything else, but they're not actually thinking about the question.
¶29I am so smart. I operate on so many levels higher than the average man. You people are not thinking about the question. When I say a one and a 10, I mean Megan Fox with a That's the [ __ ] Or Hulk Hogan with a That's the girl. This is the question I'm asking.
¶30Megan Fox or Hulk Hogan? >> Other people will say at least Andrew Tate makes a stand against feminism. And yes, most of modern feminism is moral garbage, but Pope St. John Paul II called on women to create a new feminism, which rejects the temptation of imitating models of male domination in order to acknowledge and affirm the true genius of women in every aspect of the life of society, and overcome all discrimination, violence, and exploitation. But Andrew Tate and the other red-pillers just create an inverted feminism that takes the core evil of feminism, saying men are the root of society's problems, and flipping it to say that women are the root of society's problems.
¶31Here's Nick Fuentes doing the same thing on Tucker Carlson's show. >> You tell me, why isn't more and more people married? Well, I mean, honestly, it's the women. >> Well, yeah, it's partly women who have bought into the lies of feminism when it comes to chasing careers or glorifying fornication, but it's also the men who refuse to commit to women and meander in situationships, or who make decisions that handicap their ability to love women. Consider an average guy in the US who is 30 years old, around the current median age for marriage.
¶32That guy has probably watched over 1,000 hours of pornography in his adult life. This sin has gotten so bad among men that diagnoses of erectile dysfunction for men under 40 have tripled in the past two decades. So, the problem isn't just men or just women, it's sinners. It's all of us. And we have to look to Jesus Christ for the solution to that problem, not hustlers like Andrew Tate.
¶33We also shouldn't praise Tate and many others on the right for how they oppose feminism, because their behavior often creates feminism. When they or their followers, for example, refer to women as foids or holes, women think they can't count on men to treat them humanely, and so they end up only trusting other women. Or when those men post fantasies online about cheating on their B-word wife with a waitress or a babysitter, women worry the man they marry might secretly think this and reject marriage for being too risky. And it's not just Andrew Tate whose anti-feminism inspires feminism. Consider what Andrew Wilson said on the Triggernometry podcast about stay-at-home moms.
¶34>> You get to stay at home and you don't have to do anything except raise your kid. Wow. And by the way, they're putting their kids on a bus almost every morning to go to a public school. They don't even have them for 8 hours out of the day most of the time. So like, how is this the most incredibly difficult job ever or uh in some way requires them to have that that's they're the ones who are privileged.
¶35You know, there's an old comedian who made this joke and I agree with any job you can do in your pajamas can't be that hard. >> On the one hand, I understand Andrew's criticism against second-wave feminists who tried to paint being a housewife as some kind of oppression. This is summarized in Betty Friedan's asinine claim that being a housewife is like living in a comfortable concentration camp. On the other hand, though, podcasters like Andrew can do their jobs in their pajamas, so that's a joke I'd be wary of making if I were him. But more importantly, if you go too far and say that staying home isn't oppressive for women because most of them have nothing to do anyways, then this becomes the very kind of rhetoric that pushed women into the workforce in the first place.
¶36Many people think that women entered the workforce en masse in the 1970s, but this trend actually started right after World War II, and here's why. In 1925, only about half of US homes had electricity, and women's domestic duties were very time-consuming. >> [snorts] >> But by 1945, 85% of homes had electricity, and in the next few years, most homes would have access to things like electric dishwashers, clothes washers, and electric dryers. As a result, people began to be critical of stay-at-home wives and mothers, especially because compulsory education laws made homeschooling basically illegal. And so, most children attended school during the day.
¶37In 1943, social critic Philip Wylie said of mothers that the machine has deprived her of social usefulness. You can see the attitude of what does a stay-at-home wife do all day in popular 1950s media, like this clip from The Honeymooners. >> You mean TO TELL ME I'M GOING TO HAVE DINNER WITHOUT ME, FRED? >> YOU GOT TO HAVE BREAD. There's a couple of heels in the bread box.
¶38>> There's a big deal, a couple of heels in the BREAD BOX. WHAT WERE YOU DOING ALL DAY? WHY DIDN'T YOU GO OUT AND CROSS IT? >> OR THIS 1954 cartoon called Wild Wife. >> Oh, uh, did you get to the bank?
¶39>> Yes, I did, dear. >> Pick up my suit at the cleaners. >> Yes, dear. >> Did you mow the lawn? >> Gosh, I didn't, John.
¶40I simply didn't have time. >> Didn't have time? >> But, John, I had so much to do. I just >> Oh, you women. With all the time in the world on your hands, you never find time to get anything done.
¶41>> And while the book has a lot of nonsense, Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique also reveals what life was like for women during this period and how different it is from today. For example, many anti-feminists have no problem with women having conservative opinions on politics and publicly debating this. But, in the 1950s and '60s, this was considered unsuitable for women. Friedan recounts how the editors of a women's magazine belittled their audience's intelligence saying, "Our readers are housewives, full-time. They're not interested in the broad public issues of the day.
¶42They are not interested in national or international affairs. They are only interested in the family and the home." My point is that if you want women to embrace a traditional lifestyle of being at home and raising children, even if those children attend school while the wife stays home, then you probably shouldn't treat women as being occupationally or morally inferior to men. But ultimately, that's what people like Andrew Tate do to make men feel better about themselves. While Tate offers a positive message about men taking charge in a relationship and leading, this gets drowned out by his bad takes on men leading women like this. >> Do you think that women are property?
¶43>> And that's something that a lot of people have asked me as well when when I had told them I was going to talk to you like >> He's a [ __ ] sexist, bro. Why are you talking to him? >> I think my sister is my her husband's property, yes. >> Andrew, don't your girls [laughter] have your name tattooed on them? >> A 20 girls have my name tattooed on them.
¶44>> And how many girl how many girls have their name have your name on them right now? >> 22. I've got 20 I'm on 22. >> 22. Oh, man.
¶45>> He wanted me to get his name tattooed [music] at all costs. He wanted me to tattoo his name on me. >> Husbands have authority over their wives in the same way an airplane captain has authority over the co-pilot. He has seniority, but the co-pilot can fly the plane solo if he's incapacitated. And the co-pilot can take control of the plane if the captain is about to crash it.
¶46That's a dignified way of comparing a husband and wife's authority in marriage, but it's degrading to reduce women to property like the furniture on a plane and not as an equal person made in God's image and likeness. Finally, I think many Christians want people like Andrew Tate on their side because it's nice when a famous person is willing to boldly challenge anti-Christian cultural norms, even if he isn't Christian himself. Many Muslims embrace Andrew Tate as a fellow Muslim for the same reason, even though Tate leads a debaucherous lifestyle that contradicts Islam. One article says this, "Tate represents everything that Muslim preachers warn against and consider the epitome of social decay. Nonetheless, Tate's conversion to Islam was welcomed by the same preachers who disregarded his behavior by either implying he's a new Muslim and will learn in time or by not discussing it at all.
¶47So, instead of either lionizing Andrew Tate or relishing his condemnation, we should pray for him. No one is completely beyond the reach of God's grace. And so, we shouldn't let our anger at his actions become an excuse to abandon mercy. And if Tate does express a desire to become Christian, then we should cautiously welcome him, but not put Tate at the forefront of evangelism. As I noted in my previous episode on how to treat celebrity converts.
¶48But in the interim, we should be praising authentically masculine Christian men and calling out degenerates like Andrew Tate. So, thank you guys so much for watching. And if you'd like to help us keep creating content like this, hit the subscribe button and consider supporting us at trenhornpodcast.com. Thank you guys so much and I hope you have a very blessed day.