¶1He seems very chipper. Is he married? Does he need a Catholic wife? >> I don't know. >> Are there any Catholic wives out there?
¶2All the men need Catholic wives because they're all converting. >> It's true, yeah. >> Yeah, and then he'll make a new video and say >> Dave the Python will come back. >> I told you. I shouldn't use that voice.
¶3>> Welcome back to the Catholic Everywoman, your weekly Catholic digest on all the most interesting things happening on the Catholic internet. This week we are getting into Joe Schmid's conversion. Is he addressing Catholicism too soon? Is Ethan Mus addressing Catholicism too soon? How soon is too soon to talk about being Catholic when you become Catholic?
¶4And we are also going to talk about the two women's podcasts that were highlighted this week in the news. And what impact is that going to have on women's conversions to the faith? I am Anna Sutton. >> And I'm Jen Spencer. >> All right.
¶5Okay, so I'm very excited about Joe Schmid's conversion. >> Yeah, oh my gosh. It's it's incredible. He I mean, he had a a deconversion when he was in high school, but he was just this amazing mind even as a child, even as a fourth grader. >> I know.
¶6That was the crazy thing that he was like reading these high-level like works of philosophy in the fourth grade. >> Yeah, and he was asking questions and he was getting into online debates in the early 2010s with people, you know, as a as still an adolescent. And he eventually deconverted due to the problem of evil. Which so many people have a problem with. >> Ethan Mus mentioned that that was the the argument he thought worked the best was the problem of evil.
¶7>> To convert to Catholicism? >> Well, no, like when he was agnostic atheist, he thought that problem of evil succeeded, is how they say it. >> Okay. Okay. >> As far as like debunking, um >> Yeah.
¶8Yeah. I mean, he he started off with that, but then over time to have to his re-version of Catholicism, it was other arguments, especially like wondering about the simplicity of God and trying to trying to knit together creation and order. And that's what really that he describes with um Matt Fradd, that was the first domino that fell, where you know, understanding that creation could not have been random. Even if things were off by, you know, a percentage of a point, everything would fall apart or collapse into chaos. So, he started to think, maybe God exists.
¶9And that was his way back. >> I know, it is amazing how people's conversions I was thinking listening to him, cuz I listened to his whole interview with Trent Horn, and both of them, Trent Horn was also like agnostic for a time. And they both think on this like even listening to their discussion, I'm like, you guys are operating a level like I am not at. >> Oh, totally. >> I have never had these thoughts, >> philosophy, theology, it's a whole 'nother language to learn.
¶10>> Yes, it was crazy. But, um but I thought, you know, in a way, if you're highly highly intelligent like that, um it's harder. It's harder to accept the faith, because you have to I don't want to say you have to set aside your intelligence, you don't. You don't have to set aside intelligence to believe in God, because God is truth. Um but, you have to work through a lot more.
¶11>> Yeah. >> Um >> And I think that's okay. Um you know, people get frustrated with big personalities going through, you know, these arguments, and there's always hope with God. You know, someone like Joe Schmidt converting would seem impossible, but he talks about this was divine grace working in his soul over time, and God plays the long game with souls. >> Yes.
¶12>> Um >> Well, and publicly he's fighting against it. So, like I think a lot of times people's souls are in a process, >> Mhm. >> but when you talk to them, you wouldn't think that they were anywhere near a conversion. >> Right, right. And Joe Schmidt, you know, he was like a public agnostic.
¶13Sometimes he said he leaned atheist, but something really interesting about him is he said his conversion to Catholicism might not lose a lot of followers like you might think, because his whole stick was in search of the truth. >> Yes. >> And so, he assumes that his followers are also in search of the truth. >> His followers on YouTube, cuz he has a He had a successful YouTube channel as an atheist. >> Right, right.
¶14So, if he is regurgitating what he's finding and has come to these conclusions, it makes sense that if his followers have that same mental orientation, that they would appreciate that process. They're not there because they're stuck in the mud as an agnostic or atheist. They're learning and open. And I I think of Jordan Peterson the same way. You know, people are really frustrated sometimes with Okay, he's not coming out and saying he believes in God, which I think he has now, but Oh, why isn't he converting?
¶15He's so close. He's so close. It's like, hey. >> And his wife converted, right? >> She Yes, she's Catholic.
¶16Um but I think No, give the man space. God God has got him, you know? He is very high openness, and he does he is highly intelligent, so he has to wrestle with the biggest questions. And then once he comes to certain conclusions, he can be confident about it. >> Yeah, well, I was I believe it was G.K.
¶17Chesterton who said, "If you live long enough, you'll either be atheist or Catholic." >> Interesting. >> Like um any middle ground, you'll you'll find your way out of. So, uh my theory is C.S. Lewis just died a little too soon. He was so close to Catholicism.
¶18>> Right. >> Hopefully Jordan Peterson doesn't. I would love to see him convert. I mean, I would love to see everyone convert because I believe it's true. >> Absolutely.
¶19And something that I just respect so much about Joe Schmid's journey is that he he isn't prideful about that conversion. He's not saying like, "Well, no, I have all of this investment in being an agnostic, being an atheist, and I have to stick to that because of my reputation." He was able to take in new information and change his structure of how he understands >> seeking truth. He wasn't just trying to be right. >> Right. And he wasn't attached to his own labels.
¶20>> Yeah. >> You know, I think some people can get can get stuck if they, you know, if they think, "Oh, I have this reputation as like a really, you know, impressive Protestant or something." And upon finding new information or upon maybe coming to know our lady, they might think, "Well, I can't I can't do that because then maybe I will lose followers or what does that mean about me that I believed something false for a really long time?" >> Mhm. Which is a disorienting thought to realize >> It yeah. >> something false for a really long time. It like it undoes your reality.
¶21>> Right. Right. Because you've made, you know, countless decisions based on that worldview. >> Yeah. >> Um so, I just I'm so impressed and I'm and I'm not nervous like a lot of the commentary.
¶22>> to say, you know, Jane, not everyone is excited about his I I mean, everyone's excited about his conversion. Well, not not everyone. But, um I was interested his announcement on Substack is getting a lot of backlash because people think he's too new of a convert to be talking about it online. >> Mhm. >> So, uh David the Python or Dave the Python said, "If you recently converted, all caps, you are not QUALIFIED TO DEFEND ANYTHING.
¶23You are a newbie to your faith and should learn to know and worship God before you try to become some YouTube apologetic superstars." You are trying to fly well before you can even crawl. I would like to mention that both of these men who run the sub sect, Joe Schmidt and Noah McKay, um they're philosophy PhD students at Prince Princeton. I don't know what Dave the Python's educational background is, but I'd be willing to wager that Joe Schmidt is probably far more qualified to defend the faith >> Probably. >> than this guy. Um And this is but this is a really common theme.
¶24It's like a lot of people say like you're you're not haven't been Catholic long enough. >> You know there was a comment about you like that. >> About me? >> Yeah, they're like, "Anna's a new Catholic." >> Oh, is this on our SSPX interview? Oh, yeah.
¶25Well, >> I'm like, what? >> I've been a Catholic for 5 years. >> Catholic for 5 years and >> Yeah, you know, okay, so it was kind of a little interesting like was it a little drama? I don't think it was drama, but so Trent Horn interviewed um Joe Schmidt and they had this like fun like geek out session about all the >> amazing. >> It was.
¶26It was It was a It was highfalutin though. Like you Yeah. And then Trent Horn went on Gregory Pine and he actually did make a comment that he's like, "I think anyone who's a new convert should just like stay off the internet." >> that? Trent Horn or Pine? >> did.
¶27>> Okay, so I'm going to be really bold and disagree a little bit with Trent Horn because I think it depends on your background. Okay, this man like you said is getting a PhD from Princeton. The things that he will have to say about Catholicism are going to be extremely precise. You're not You're not a philosophy buff and you know, speaking just randomly and and holding convictions uh without without having a foundation. So, I think with this person, with Joe Schmid, if he speaks about Catholicism, my guess it's going to be little by little as he is learning.
¶28And I would be more confident in someone like him, a new convert with such a robust foundation of thinking about thinking and thinking about all of these questions, to be able to speak more precisely on the faith than someone without that background who's just really excited about converting to Catholicism because >> And he did have a full childhood in Catholicism. He's not He's actually a revert, not a convert, but >> Right. Right. He did. He did.
¶29Um but I think other folks who are who are converting and it's happening it's wild how many people are converting, mostly men, which, you know, maybe we should talk about a little later. Um you know, Catholicism is booming right now. So many conversions worldwide. >> And young men. And young men are >> Young men.
¶30Yeah, mostly men and young men. I would be more concerned about a young man who's enthusiastic, who has found the Catholic faith, um speaking about it because you know, the the faith is so rich and especially when we talk about the mysteries of our faith, anything mariology, original sin, the Blessed Trinity, you're probably going to accidentally spout some heresy. >> Mhm. >> You know, so I I would hold reserve there. Okay, Trent?
¶31But But with someone like like Joe Schmid, I think you know, I I I just have a lot more confidence. >> Well, and I think probably a lot of the work he's going to do is getting atheist from atheist to agnostic cuz he's so well versed in the atheist arguments. >> Right. So, it's going to be a completely different >> It's a totally different type of apologetics >> Yeah, than like Protestantism to Catholicism. Right.
¶32>> So, I think I'm very I'm thrilled. And his interview was great. He seems very chipper. Is he married? Does he need a Catholic wife?
¶33>> I don't know. Are there any >> I don't know. Catholic wives out there? All the men need Catholic wives because they're all converting. >> Uh it's true.
¶34Yeah. Yeah. Um I don't know. I haven't seen a picture of him. I just listened.
¶35>> Oh, he's young. >> Oh, he's young. Okay, wonderful. >> and bushy-tailed. >> Yeah, no.
¶36I just I'm so excited about all the work God is doing in his church raising up different people, different personalities in all of these niches and with the uh you know, the advent of like social media and whatnot, there is all of this opportunity for online apostolate. >> Mhm. >> And so now this this man has had that grace and hopefully he'll be able to reach and be able to wrangle with other folks who maybe are agnostic or atheist, but are seeking truth, you know? >> I know. Well, also it gives me hope for the Ivy's because somebody found truth even while being at Princeton.
¶37Sometimes I wonder can you can you find truth in any of the Ivy League institutions anymore? >> Ooh. >> That's probably I mean, I don't I didn't go to an Ivy League, so I'm just like I'm just throwing that out there. Like that's a huge statement. >> applies to university as a whole?
¶38>> I think it does, but I think the Ivy League crowd is probably prone to think they have a pretty good like a better grip on reality. Like I think a person at like >> Oh, like >> KU is more likely to be open to themselves being wrong than a person at Harvard. >> Oh, I see. Okay, so like maybe intellectual pride getting in the way or something like that. >> And also like if you're hearing things from your professors that are like the best of the best.
¶39>> Mhm. >> Except for that professor at Cambridge who was like a total fraud. >> And except for that professor at Stanford. Sorry. I'm Sapolsky.
¶40I have issues. >> Oh, okay. Anyway, we're getting off topic. Okay, so >> Sorry. >> One of the things I loved about Joe Smith's um conversion that he talked about was that like when he kind of reached the point of when he kind of reached the point of like okay I believe there's a god I'm no longer atheist um where is this god?
¶41What really got him over was miracles. And the person doing so much work on the internet proving miracles right now is Ethan Nuse. >> And our patron saint of our podcast. >> Saint Carlo Acutis. >> Yeah, so he was cataloging all of the Eucharistic miracles all over the world.
¶42>> I would love to see Well, I would say I would love to see where Carlo Acutis is now but then I'm like well he's the patron saint of the internet. He's doing way better than Joe Schmid and Ethan Nuse actually. Um yes, we we love Carlo. Um but yeah, so Ethan is also young, also a PhD student. I don't know if in philosophy but his work cataloging miracles is like insane.
¶43And what he does like he has a five-hour interview on Pints with Aquinas. Um he's focused a lot on Our Lady and on Padre Pio and there was a third. Um but anyway, he goes through like all the details that like all the proofs of them. I mean in well, it was a five-hour interview. So in like minute detail.
¶44It's impressive. >> Yeah, and miracles they do require that jump of faith, okay? When you have a team of physicians coming in examining miracles and they all say like we can't explain this immediate cure or you know, it does require a leap and so it's a little bit surprising to me and wonderful that miracles are what did it for him. >> Well, it requires a leap but when you see the number of proofs there are it's a smaller leap. It's more like oh I don't know how to not believe this.
¶45Like you can't make up enough things to excuse away all the like coincidences, you know? So I think that's why what Ethan Nuse is doing is so important. I actually think his work will probably be really important for Protestants because a lot of the miracles are like Marian apparitions and stuff. Like >> Hard hard to think about that. >> hard.
¶46I mean, I know I was a Protestant and I actually thought about I thought about sending this particular interview or like a clip of it to my siblings and I was like I know they're going to say it's demonic. >> Oh. >> Um if it's a Marian apparition, it's demonic. >> So they'll believe in >> in what happened. They'll be like, "Oh, what happened?" >> or the preternatural.
¶47They'll they'll give that, but then they they misattribute the cause. >> Yeah. I don't think Padre Pio I can see Our Lady of Fatima a lot of her instruction was pray the rosary and I know they would just say, "Well, she's telling them to worship her." >> Well, there's the miracle of the sun. >> Yeah. >> That's Fatima.
¶48>> But they would say demons orchestrated the miracle so more people would worship Mary. >> Or like mass hysteria. I know that's one. I mean, yeah. >> like so easy to like Ethan shot that down so fast.
¶49>> Okay. >> It just doesn't like make sense. It doesn't line up with any of the >> Yeah, I think the Eucharistic miracles are really powerful. >> The Eucharistic ones and Padre Pio's life was pretty incredible. >> I mean, how do you falsify a stigmata?
¶50>> Exactly. Exactly. Um and like when he died, his skin was like perfect even though he had been bleeding out of his hands for years. Like >> Right. And if you were to you know, self-inflict let's say the stigmata, you'd have to redo it over and over and over in such in like a such a way that it didn't break any of your bones and just impossible.
¶51>> Well, and even like the doctors' descriptions of his stigmata were like it was like they described it as like a void. It wasn't even like a classic wound. It was >> Just an opening. >> The wound itself seemed was supernatural. So Yeah, so anyway, I really enjoyed Ethan's work.
¶52I but he's another one who's getting the same criticisms. He was a very recent. Like he was baptized. He was raised like Baptist. He was agnostic atheist whatever for a long time.
¶53And then he was baptized like last Easter. So he is a very recent But again, I'm like this man's brain is incredible. He's doing incredible work. Like I wouldn't want to shush him. He doesn't have a YouTube channel.
¶54He's on Substack. >> Well, and with so many people viewing these videos, if he does make a mistake, everyone will call him out at the same time. And then he'll make a new video and say >> will be like Dave the Python will come back. I told you. I shouldn't use that voice.
¶55But yeah. >> funny. >> But yes, like nobody's going to let them get away with >> No, absolutely not. And then, you know, he'll come back on the next day and say, "Oops, I said the wrong thing. What I meant was this." And it'll be fine.
¶56>> Or there will be like a fun little like a Trent Horn or Joe Heschmeyer or someone will clear it up. They'll just do a little video and be like, "Oh, this was a little mistake." >> fun of him. It'll be okay. >> I don't think they will. I like they're so they're >> think they'll tease a little bit?
¶57>> They're so professional. Like they're so like I would I guess I want to say buttoned up. >> Yeah, I mean, I think Joe did have like a a video title that said something like, um, "I was wrong and the worst thing about it was Trent Horn was right." So I think they do >> They tease each other a little bit. Yeah. Joe once in one of his videos had uh had AI make Trent's voice saying, "I was wrong and Joe's right." It was really funny.
¶58Um, that was a while back. Uh, okay. So what was the other thing I was going to Oh, yeah, we were saying a lot of people criticizing criticizing them for talking too soon. I just disagree with that. I think there are people where I'd be like, "Maybe you shouldn't have a channel teaching a lot of people right now." And maybe some of the people I would say that about are Girls Gone Bible, who were Girls Gone Okay, so there were two women's podcasts that were brought up.
¶59One was the There was an article in The Atlantic about Girls Gone Bible, and there was an article in the Oh, also The Atlantic. I guess they did They featured both. About the Dominican sisters open mic. So, the girls from Girls Gone Bible were actresses in LA, I think. >> Oh, this makes so much more sense having lived there.
¶60Okay, so they talk really slow. >> They do. They're so pretty. Like, I mean genuinely they're they're like they're like sexy. >> They're like blonde, beautiful, talk very slowly, which which is kind of an LA thing.
¶61>> Is it? How annoying. Um I was in New York over the weekend and everyone there like moved at inappropriate like I really enjoyed New York. I was like, "Oh, this is where my personality belongs." >> it Of course it was, Athena. Like >> I know that People are like People in New York are mean.
¶62I'm like, "People in New York are appropriate." >> Yeah, no, I'm similarly very far from the proximate East Coast. And when my family moved to Kansas, even as a child, I was just like, "Everybody's moving so slow and talking slow and you know >> So, does like the speech get slower as you go from East Coast to West Coast? >> Maybe it does. And north to south. East to west, north to south.
¶63>> Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, certainly the South. They do everything slowly. >> Yeah, I mean, it's hot. I mean, like other other cultures in like warmer climates also move slowly, talk slowly, have similar characteristics.
¶64>> I mean, it was like a hundred When I got in my car this afternoon to pick my kids up, it was 116°. And I was like personally offended by that. >> Yeah, that's disgusting. I'm sorry. >> Um Um okay, so Girls Gone Bible are they're pretty new converts.
¶65They both lived in LA. They were actresses. >> Wait, they're converted They've converted to Catholicism? >> converts to Christianity. >> Oh.
¶66>> So, they're they're evangelical, but they have a huge following. I mean, I want to say like just a few years ago like they started their podcast in like um I think it was 2023 and they were like new Christians. So, um they're >> Okay. Sorry, can you can you explain like real quick what what the Protestant Bible study looks like and you mentioned, you know, just >> So, this channel is like every Protestant Bible study you ever have been to or have never been to. It is >> Tell the Catholics about Bible studies.
¶67>> I know. Well, you guys don't have them, so. This will be news. Uh we do read the Bible. Actually, Protestants do read the Bible a lot.
¶68Like most Protestants do actually know their Bible better than Catholics. That's a stereotype that is unfortunately accurate. Um so you it's really important to most Protestants that you read the Bible in context. >> What does that mean? >> So, like it you can't just take a verse out and say like actually uh Father um Mike Schmitz this morning or was it this morning?
¶69It was recent. He was Jeremiah 29:11 came up, which is I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to >> Hold on. I Time out. My whole life I've seen Bible quotes floating in the air by themselves, you know, gosh, Hobby Lobby. Bible clothes quotes floating everywhere.
¶70People just writing a quote for random >> I know. So, like often it's Okay, so like this is a perfect example. The Jeremiah 29:11, I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you. So, this is a super common verse you see. And Father Mike Schmitz was like, "Well, I hate to like burst everyone's bubble, but this verse was just written to like the Israelites during the exile." Like So, like you can take something and apply it to your life and it's like, "Well, that is like not exactly what it >> Yeah, but such is the Protestant Bible study, right?
¶71>> Well, the Protestant So, that's what most Protestant most evangelical churches say you should learn the Bible in context verse by verse. And so that's what these girls do. They well the the episode I watched, they were reading through James. They read it verse by verse and then they stopped and talked about like how do I feel about this verse? And so the thing is you can feel like you're just getting pure truth cuz you're just reading the inspired word of God verse by verse in context, but really you're just like putting all your own emotions and feelings on it.
¶72You're not have you don't have an accurate interpretation. It's just like I feel this way about it. This makes me feel that. >> And it doesn't sound like there's really discernment of the spirits. It's just kind of like, well, whatever whatever arrives at my intuition, I'm going to say that's maybe from the Lord.
¶73>> Well, yeah, that's the Holy Spirit and >> And if I feel really good about this Bible study, then I'm closer to the Lord. Something like that. >> It's all very emotional, yeah. And this this But I don't want to be too hard on them because there were a lot of comments that people who are like it meant a lot to them and they were super encouraged. So >> Is it but is it because Right.
¶74Well, is it because, you know, these women talked about their emotions and the other women viewing were like, me too, you know? Is it just kind of everybody getting jazzed about how the Bible makes them feel in this moment and that they have other beautiful women Yeah, you know, sharing that. >> I mean if a woman is pretty enough and what she says sounds good enough, then like absolutely. So it works for men, too. If they're pretty enough.
¶75Um yeah, I mean I Yeah. It So it's upsetting to me that like these hugely popular female-led podcasts about Christianity >> Mhm. >> are I watch them and the Dominican Sisters open mic, it was good, but it's also it's not like overly deep. Like it's good though. Like I wouldn't not recommend it.
¶76Um they're so shallow. Like you compare it to like what what these men are talking about and I'm like, I mean there's no comparison. Like, there's so much richness and depth, and they're talking about like philosophical proofs and, you know, >> And there's growth. Like, when you listen to the apologists on Catholic Answers or whatever, you know, Matt Fradd, there's there's growth and exploration and facts, and it's really exciting and really stimulating to listen to. Um, you know, I mean, I used to be a Dominican sister, not active like these sisters.
¶77I was cloistered contemplative >> Active meaning out in the world as opposed to cloistered. >> Yeah, like the active Dominican sisters of They have an active apostolate. So, they're teaching and forming young girls, like educ- in Catholic education, or they're caring for the sick, or they have another sort of active apostolate, whereas contemplative Dominican nuns, their apostolate is prayer and silence and like a life of immolation. Um, so, but I will say, as a Dominican nun, we had a a Bible study block every morning at 7:30 for half an hour. So, but with that, it was solitary.
¶78And, you know, I had my my Bible there, and I was working through I started with the Gospels, and I had, you know, a stack of commentaries next to me. So, I was looking at what really intelligent men, often saints or fathers of the church, had said about, you know, different interpretations of the Gospel. Like, okay, well, this might have been a literal interpretation or mystical or historical. So, it was it was a very rich Bible study, especially the Gospels, the life and words of our Lord. Um, but it Yeah, I just I don't know if I've ever had this communal feelings-based >> Feelings-based.
¶79Well, and I should say, I think it's really important to read your Bible and let God speak to you in a personal way. Like, that is not in invalid way to read your Bible. >> that's prayerful. >> That's like, um, >> Lectio Divina, right? Like you you dwell on what speaks to you.
¶80So, I just not It's not going to get you core hard truth the way actual study is. And if you struggle with this, get the Ignatius Press Study Bible. It's so good. >> Oh, okay. >> Um it's like the most It's the only like full Catholic Study Bible that's out.
¶81It just came out recently, like in the last couple years. And it's really really good. It's done by um like uh Scott Hahn and >> Yeah, and >> all those people. >> And if you I would say if you have a saint that you really admire, you know, for example, St. Thomas Aquinas or St.
¶82John Chrysostom, they've preached sermons and have written extensively about different parts of the Bible. And so, I mean, for me, when I read a verse of the Bible, often it's it feels kind of walled off. But if I read a commentary on it, then it starts to open up for me and I start to understand, "Oh, that's why this might have been said because it was at this time in this in this uh culture or um yeah, so if if just the Bible isn't really opening up, definitely get a study version or some kind of aid. >> Or you can listen to Girls Gone Bible. >> I will not be recommending that podcast at this time.
¶83>> Um but you know, my question is, looking at this, like I looked up like what are the top podcasts by women in the spirituality >> Let's go. >> religion. And they're all kind of of the same vibe. It sort of speaks more to women who are already Christian of some kind who maybe want to grow in their faith or are going through hard times. There's not a lot of like hardcore female apologetics out there.
¶84>> Right. >> And maybe it's because it doesn't work for women. Like as we referenced earlier, young men are coming into the Catholic Church in droves. I know five couples off the top of my head who the man wants to convert to Catholicism and the wife is not into it. And actually, one of the wives told me that other day, it was so funny the way she worded it.
¶85She was like, "You know, when your husband starts listening to a lot of podcasts, there's only one direction that's going." And I was like, "To the Catholic Church?" I was like, "What a delightful reputation for podcasts." >> Wow, so why are women more closed off? I wonder if it's a safe >> think women are more closed off. I think there's not content for women. >> Ah, I see. Okay.
¶86So, >> I think men love these like these these rich, intense, truth-seeking conversations. >> But so did you. >> I know, but I've been told by a therapist that I think like a man. So, >> That's and that's not necessarily false. Like, no, I'm serious.
¶87I I think with with personality traits, like personality psychology, men and women tend to cluster around this or that trait. But that does It's not polarizing. There's like a bell curve, right? There's there's a ton of overlap between the male and female psyche. I think people like to focus on the opposites, like men are like this and women are like this, because that's easy.
¶88It's easy to categorize, you know, men are thinkers and women are all emotional, right? That's not true. But for certain traits, like agreeableness, okay, that's one of the big five, women tend to be more agreeable than men. Men tend to be more disagreeable. But I would say for both of us that we tend to be a little more disagreeable, right?
¶89We're we're willing to be uncomfortable, get uncomfortable, even if like feelings and like the the peace is compromised, because therein lies truth and grit, and that's of higher value to us. So, it's not >> And conversion is uncomfortable, so >> Absolutely. So, if women Okay, perfect. So, if women are tend to be more agreeable, higher conscientiousness, maybe a little bit Well, openness, that's that's debatable, but with these personality traits that are more heavily associated with females, then it would make sense why conversion might feel like something scary. >> It is scary.
¶90>> Yeah, because we're we're vulnerable, right? We want safety and stability, and conversion and change, that can feel unsafe or unstable. >> Well, and I also think there's a reality, like especially for women, I can speak for women who are like at home with children a lot. If you're kind of at home doing housework and you're dealing with children, and you have a lot of noise in the background, um if you do listen to something, you don't necessarily have like a ton of mental energy to give to it. I don't think I think women are a lot more divided among things.
¶91Like men can kind of fully and entirely focus their brain in one direction. >> Yeah. >> And women, it's like you are still distracted by the toddler, by the mess, or by the cleaning. And so, you sort of >> we keep children alive, and >> Yes, we do. It's true.
¶92But that means that you also are kind of seek lighter content, because you're like, I can't Like even for me, when I'm listening to the Trent Horn and Joe Schmidt, there was like multiple times I had to like stop and rewind it and be like, "What did they say?" You know? Like I'm not consuming I'm not um I'm not processing it thoroughly. So, if I am going for a podcast, I tend to if I'm just like wanting to like pass the time while I'm doing dishes, I'm going to pick something light. Which is why we offer you light Catholic content on a weekly basis. >> Yeah, and I'm kind of the opposite.
¶93When I'm cleaning the bathroom, I'll turn on a Jordan Peterson lecture, >> But you don't have small children talking in the background. >> Yes. So, you know, we'd love to hear from women, like what what is interesting? Is Is there this huge void that there isn't more female apologetics, you know? Are these >> the only thing fill your heart is a weekly Catholic digest so that you don't have to dig into all the content that's online.
¶94You can just have someone dumb it down for you. >> it all and That's like, yeah. >> Um I mean, I do think that was my drive Well, that's like a why we're doing this because I really do believe there is a void of content on the internet because I see all over I'm like, "Women are online. It's not a lack of women being online." >> No, and I think, you know, we noticed that lack of balance. There's There's like the hyper tradwife who >> Yeah.
¶95>> you know, is not the is not the everywoman and we want to bring more of a like >> everywoman. Well, and like nobody needs another person to tell them how beautiful it is to have children. Even though it is beautiful, it's just like there's enough voices saying it, you know? >> entire Substack. Yeah.
¶96>> I know, that's because you know what I feel bad about is art. I don't know if you've gotten on our Instagram recently. So, Instagram just populates like what you slow down on. Our whole Instagram feed is like random Lord of the Rings content. Cuz I'm such a Lord of the Rings nerd and I kept searching the Gollum the new Gollum movie.
¶97>> I remember that from last time, like there's a lot of Lord of the Rings and I know, yeah, we like that. We like our fantasy and >> Yeah, we do. So, I feel I feel bad though. I'm like, if Jane gets on here, she's going to be like, "Is Jane just like a" But, it's because I I don't really spend a lot of time on Instagrams, but like anything I Anything you scroll down you slow down on, that's what I don't like about Instagram. I I don't see the people I follow.
¶98I'm like, "I never followed this page, but I keep getting their posts." >> Like every Elijah Wood interview. >> I do love Elijah. >> Yeah, so I mean, what is needed for Catholic women in the world? What's interesting? What's important?
¶99Especially for conversion, you know? >> Yeah, what is going to help women seek truth in the place they're at? >> Right, whether Protestant or agnostic, atheist, or just that person with no religion at all. >> Yeah. >> There needs to be obviously, I think there's some percentage of women like us who are going to dive deep into the Catholic Answers content or that type of content.
¶100And I think um any woman who is genuinely starts thinking like, "Okay, is this a real thing? I'm going to convert." will probably do that deep dive. But there has to be something that sort of gets you to even that point because obviously men are just being reached in a way women are not. >> Yeah. >> Um I was really disappointed that Claire the Catholic Feminist is not doing her podcast at all anymore because she I thought she did a really good job, but she's totally stepped back.
¶101She only writes on Substack. Claire, come back to the internet. She's like, "I have better things to do with my time." It's like, "Nah." >> Yeah, so maybe we can ask St. Carlo Acutis to inspire women out there, inspire us to >> reach women. >> Yeah, to reach women and to >> Carlo's like, "I gave you Girls Gone Bible." Have you not seen?
¶102>> Do better, Carlo. More. Yeah, yeah. Well, we'll see what God has in store for his church on the internet as far as the the female population goes. >> Yes.
¶103All right, well, we will keep you updated on that and on all the other things happening online. But thank you so much for watching this week. St. Carlo Acutis, pray for us.